Ultimate Salvia FAQ (updated 10/17/05)

[slayed]

After reading all of the posts upon posts I decided to compile everything together, add a little bit of my own stuff and create the Ultimate FAQ on Salvia. Everything in here is up for arguing and just PM me if you think Im wrong. If you feel something needs to be added please PM me.

What is Salvia?
Salvia divinorum came from South of the border. It is smoked for consumption, but can be eaten. If done right the drug can produce very psychodelic trips. They can contain visuals, other beings, and other mind blowing experiences.

Where should I buy my Salvia?
If your looking to buy online, everyone (including myself) will recommend iamshaman.com. They have great prices, great service, and Ive never had a complaint about the salvia. They can ship it in a plain box with nothing incrimenating on it besides the label "Spiritual Scents".
If your not looking to buy online, most local headshops sell it. Be aware your going to pay more than iamshaman because they have to boost up the price. Most head shops will only sell if you have ID. So be prepared.

What does standard/non-standard mean?
Standardized Extract is prepared by extracting pure salvinorin A (the active principal of the plant), then adding a measured quantity back onto Salvia divinorum leaves to bring them up to a specific, reliable, and consistent level of potency. This type of product is time consuming to prepare, but is far superior to crude-extract enhanced leaf. Products that have been prepared in this manner have particularly good burning characteristics because they do not contain the tar-like, gummy impurities found in crude extracts. Since the impurities have been removed during the extraction process, they won't end up in your lungs.
a1b2c3.com

How much should I plan on smoking?
This depends on the extract. A hit of salvia should be packed around .2-.5 grams. half a gram of good salvia is a very big hit. The higher the extract the less needed.

Here’s how much you might want to plan on using:

First time: start with .35 of a gram (leaves, not extract)
2nd to 4th time: .5 to .6 of a gram (leaves)
More than 5th or 6th time, pretty hard hit: .85 to 1 gram. (leaves)

5x Extract:
1st time- .08 to .1 of a gram
2nd, 3rd, 4th time: .15 to .17 of a gram
More than 4th time (WARNING, this is a STRONG HIT) .25 of a gram

Effects should last about 30 minutes for the above^
(Your body may be different from everybody elses, so you are going to experiment with the amounts you use. (Trial and Error)

What does 5x,6x,10,20x mean?
The #x shows the potency of the salvia compared to the amount. One gram will consist of about 3 or 4 mg of salvinorin-a. This is where the multiplier comes in, a 5x would contain 5 times more salvinorin-a per gram. So 1 gram of salvia contains 15-20 mg.

What should I be paying for Salvia?
There is never a set price for salvia, iamshaman.com usually produces the best prices. The average gram of 10x extract costs around $25.

What are the laws regarding Salvia?
Salvia divinorum is uncontrolled in the United States. This means all parts of the plant and its extracts are legal to buy, sell, cultivate, and possess without a license or prescription. If sold as a supplement, sales must conform to U.S. supplement laws. If sold for consumption as a food or drug, sales are regulated by the FDA.
erowid.com

What kind of trip am I going to feel?
If you "break into" your trip, which is just smoking enough to feel the best trip, you should feel it very quickly. The trip should start withing 30 seconds, and increases quickly around 2-3 minutes. The trip will last anywhere from 5-15 minutes depending on your salvia, dose, body, and hit. Most users would not compare it to smoking weed, but a more mind trip, not high. Its most likely you will stay seated. Salvia is very varying, you could barely feel the trip, or you could feel it as any other psychodelic drug or even greater.

Things (effects) usually felt:

-may lose the feel of your body
-panic
-freak out, spas
-sweat a lot
-weird dreams
-Hallucinations
-Feel anything happening around you extremely well (snow, wind, rain, getting hit in the face)
-I’ve never had this happen but I’ve heard from many people, you feel as if you are falling into a portal that is sucking you into another world.

11/11 Trip Report with 6x Standardized
After smoking the slavia through a nice glass water bong, I placed the bong down. Within 10 seconds I had jumped out of my chair and was staring at my friends with the most horrified look on my face. Then I could stand straight, I tried walking and just kinda of wobbled everywhere. Within 2-3 minutes I was able to control myself but I was still tripping. Throughout all the day, the trips varied from losing control of my body, to just not being able to talk.
Some of my friends took their hits and reacted by:
Not being able to talk
Talking complete nonsense
Screaming

How do I smoke the Salvia?
Don't think of smoking salvia like smoking pot. Salvia tastes gross so it is best to smoke out of water bong of some sort, something with filteration. A normal lighter is not recommended for use, a "turbo" or torch lighter works best because the salvinorin-a needs a higher temperature than a normal lighter can give you. Also, dont just light the salvia and then pull as you would weed. Light it, and keep lighting it until your done. I wouldn't suggest packing a bigger bowl for multiple hits, rather pack each hit individually.

This isn’t doing anything! WTF?
If you smoke Salvia with a normal flame lighter you wasted your money or time if you grow your own. In order to get the ‘high’ from it you need to light it with a torch lighter (butane windproof lighter). Don’t use joints and rolling paper; the chemical that comes out when you light it (Salvinorin A) will not reach your lungs if use a joint. I recommend you use a bong or anything that has a large ‘smoke catch’ to it. I don’t recommend bubblers, simply because I haven’t seen anybody use one ( 6 people I know who use Salvia heavily, including myself occasionally). Use a bong, your favorite piece of glass, or a short wood pipe.

Other ways of using it:
It is chewable and it tastes like shit. You can chew the leaves for a bit and then swallow them. That’s all I know, done it once tastes like ass and I will probably never do it again that way.

Below was added on 11/12/05

What are the health risks related to smoking Salvia?
There are many immediately related health risks that run with smoking salvia. But there is some caution that needs to come into play. First off, because salvia can cause such a trip, there is a high possibilty of an accident to occur. (Falling, choking). As in all psychodelic drugs, there is the possibility of tramatization. Although this has happened, it is very rare.
Salvia does not contain any physically addictive chemicals.

What kind of environment should I smoke salvia in?
Lights on or lights off works, some people like to smoke with the lights on because then you can do some exploring while tripping. Others keep the lights off and put on some music, the music can intensify your trip.
Its a good idea to have a sitter to watch you. The sitter doesnt have to not smoke, because the salvia effects wear off quickly. Smoking outside can also be a good idea. Some trips can make you lose control and possibly damage something valuable (ie. your bong). When I smoke, I make sure the sitter grabs the bong quickly after the smoker takes their hit.

Can I grow Salvia at home?
Its not recommended to grow salvia from seeds, but if you can acquire a clipping, alcohol has written a tutorial on growing from a cutting.
http://forums.livingwithstyle.com/t2...a-cutting.html

LEGAL INFORMATION (important)

Salvia is legal to buy, sell, cultivate, and possess without a license or prescription in the United States. However some states are beginning to get a little tight about it. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to walk around in public and smoke it in front of a police officer’s face and say “it’s all legal dude”.

-In Louisiana it is ILLEGAL to have/use/sell/cultivate for human consumption.


Other places in the World:

-Australia: ILLEGAL to buy, sell, or posses
-Canada: totally legal
-Finland: CANNOT import it
-Germany: totally legal
-Sweden: totally legal
-United Kingdoms: totally legal
-Switzerland: totally legal
-Italy: ILLEGAL to grow, sell, distribute, use
-Netherlands: totally legal
-Japan: totally legal
-Israel: totally legal (thanks to Daniel)

Helpful Salvia Related Links
http://iamshaman.com - Great deals on Salvia (My personal supplier)
http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/ - Amazing amounts of information
http://forums.livingwithstyle.com/t2...q-11-8-05.html - GBswm's FAQ
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...63377715887736 - Video of me and my friend smoking

[wng-]

Nice start, but looks like a little could be added.

Just take these as suggestions;

It doesn't seem like your FAQ conveys what the actual salvia trip is. To me, it is one of the most intense psychedelics other than Datura.

Any health risks?

Also, a .2 hit of 20X or even 10x would be a pretty damn big hit.

2 grams of 10x salvia can supply me with at least 20 really intense hits, and I would suggest that new users start out with less.

Add more about how to properly smoke the salvia. In my experience I find that it is more important to hold it in correctly and inhale the right way than to use a water-filtration device and the right kind of lighter.

[MaximusPwnagus]

Voted + because you answered the vast majority of my questions about salvia.

[uh huh]

Voted +, That was a very good read and worth every minute of reading it. As said by the first reply, it would be nice to know the health risks and such, but other than that great post.

[Ollie]

Or at least something written that there's not much we know about health risks...

Also, might be worth writing about what sort of environment you should be tripping in. Or why you might want a trip sitter around when you give it a shot (I've had to restrain an individual before -- rare, but it happens).

It's also worth noting what kind of psychedelic trip it is. I think you'll find that most trip reports describe an entirely different experience than your more common psychedelics. "It's not like weed" isn't helpful for someone who hasn't experienced complete ego-loss before, y'know?

Good work. Add a few more items and it's definitely sticky-worthy.

p.s. voted +

[Aziel]

You really need a sitter on a salvia trip because sometimes people get up and move about in thier own fluffy bunny dream world, the area should be comfortable and totally safe. Ie no sharp objects, objects you can knock over, corners of tables exposed etc etc.
I've been a sitter but never smoked salvia myself, i'm very interested so thanks for that, I learnt a bit. =)

Voted +

[slayed]

Alright good, this is the kind of feedback I was looking for.
Soon to come...
Health Risks
More in depth trip explanation
Enviroment
More in depth smoking ways

[Aziel]

You sir, are dedicated to your followers. Voted + again. Obviously I've been drinking. =) Yay for foreign absinthe. I can type well when I'm kinda drunk. =)

[fogdog7]

This is great, definetly gave me some motivation to go out and try and find some salvia. Voted plus. Oh and by the way, if I were to get a gram of 10x, about how many trips would that give me?

[slayed]

maybe 7? Please forward questions and stuff to my inbox.

[slayed]

Alright so I did some updating on this thread. Is there anything else people would like added? I plan on doing a video on smoking salvia so stay tuned.

[meta]

Really nice FAQ. It would be even better with a video . You linked my thread! Voted + / Rated 5

[slayed]

I couldnt pass up such a short but sweet tutorial. I cant wait until I find a clipping and can actually try growing.

[slayed]

I ordered 10 grams of 10x salvia the other day, when it arrives, expect a video of how to properly hit the bong and such.

[Insomnolence]

Great FAQ. I wish i came across this before trying salvia.

[cmo429]

Thanks for the info! I have one small question though. How exactly do grams and what not look like? I don't know what .5 gram looks like or .whatever gram. I'm from an area where we just say thing such as a "dime" or a "dub." Any explanation or size comparison would be great.

[AccordGuy95]

How do I smoke this without a bong? Can I just roll a joint or make a blunt?

[WGFCrafty]

How do I smoke this without a bong? Can I just roll a joint or make a blunt?

It won't be very effective since the salvia needs a torch lighter constantly on it to burn effectively.

If you bought salvia already where did you get it from? If not, I wouldn't consider hitting up the dallas head shops. The Gas Pipe had 1 gram of 20x for 50$. Screw that.

[slayed]

As for looking at a gram, it doesnt look like a gram of weed. Its not in bud form, and there arent many (if any) stems or seeds. Its more of chopped up leaves. So either get a scale or find a reliable supplier.

I really wouldnt suggest smoking it out of anything other than a bong. It needs the constant flame to be on it because it burns at such a high rate. Just the oxygen from you pulling in on a blunt wouldnt create enough heat.


P.S. I just got an email from iamshaman.com that my next 10 grams of 10x will be at my door on tuesday/wednesday.

[AccordGuy95]

It won't be very effective since the salvia needs a torch lighter constantly on it to burn effectively.

If you bought salvia already where did you get it from? If not, I wouldn't consider hitting up the dallas head shops. The Gas Pipe had 1 gram of 20x for 50$. Screw that.

Ill be ordering from where I get all my stuff-IAmShaman.com. I can get a torch lighter, but I dont think I could buy a bong.

[qoou]

Every trip report I ever read mentioned feeling a pulling or pushing force from a very distinct direction, IE. up and to the right or behind and to the left.

[false]

Three questions...

Why does the page on iamshaman.com say for all of the salvia products that it is "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION" that would mean that it's ok to smoke though correct? (I figured that it would but I just wanna be safe)

Also, for a first time, should I just cut up the leaves for as much as I want to do and put them in a bowl?

If I were to make a smoking utility out of plastic, do you think the plastic would melt? (bongs made out of coke bottles, or other related materials)

[Insomnolence]

In response to your questions :

Why does the page on iamshaman.com say for all of the salvia products that it is "NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION" that would mean that it's ok to smoke though correct? (I figured that it would but I just wanna be safe)

---They just say this to cover their own asses so they cant be sued for misuse. Once you have the product it's up to you to use it responsibly / irresponsibly or however you want

Also, for a first time, should I just cut up the leaves for as much as I want to do and put them in a bowl?

---I've only ever used extract. Fill up a bowl though , yeah. You can always smoke more afterwards if it doesnt affect you enough.

If I were to make a smoking utility out of plastic, do you think the plastic would melt? (bongs made out of coke bottles, or other related materials)

---As long as the pipe / smoked mix doesnt touch the bottle then all will be fine , coke bottles work just as they do for weed. I use one of these myself with salvia and actually used part of a pen as a pipe with a bong cup (bowl) attached and it worked fine.

[MX6]

I have a torch lighter, but what would I smoke it from? Can I make a bong?

[Insomnolence]

I have a torch lighter, but what would I smoke it from? Can I make a bong?

Yes.

As it says in the FAQ above , burn it in a bong with a torch lighter and hold it in your lungs for as long as possible to get the full effect.

[MX6]

I meant can I MAKE a bong?

[millerwhite]

Wow thanks man im looking into this.

[slayed]

Ive uploaded a video onto video.google.com. It is being verified and then it will be available. Theres already a video of someone else taking a hit of salvia on there. When my video is available Ill post a link in the first post ITT.

The video is of me and a friend taking bong rips. I barely trip because I almost coughed and blew most of my hit out instead of holding it in.
The first one to hit it (me) hits it wrong, the second (friend) is how it should be done.

[slayed]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...63377715887736

[Dodilicious]

Thanks or compiling all of this information, and the link to your video. Rep+ nig.

What was the potency of that Salvia?