Do you inherently think less of someone because they are religious? That they are somehow less intelligent or reasonable than a non-theistic person? Even subconsciously.
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Do you inherently think less of someone because they are religious? That they are somehow less intelligent or reasonable than a non-theistic person? Even subconsciously.
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Depends on the extent and what religion. If someone is Christian and goes to church it does not bother me as its their life to live.
But then you get these muslims who can not even wear the clothes their want to or eat certain foods. I think they are idiots for living in shadows and not grabing life by the balls.
Just your adverage bloke who like's abit of torture.
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They believe if they live their life the right way they can have a good afterlife, which is forever
70 years of pleasure now or infinity later, its an easy choice for religious people.
I hear they get several virgins, but whats the point in that if you can't see their faces.
Just your adverage bloke who like's abit of torture.
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To be brutally honest, yes. Not so much if they just merely believe in God, I'm okay with that. But if they adhere to some organized religion with all sorts of (what I think are) weird beliefs, such as transubstantiation in the Catholic church, then definitely yes.
But I would never reveal such to anyone in real life.
Last edited by kroll; 07-14-2010 at 04:44 PM.
Quoted.Originally Posted by Domo321
Also subconciously, yes. My grandparents are very christian and, even though i love them alot, i do judge them on their reason towards life. If my grandma says something about "God made us this way for a reason, or god made this" I subconciously think "Don't be stupid grandma". I sound like an asshole but thats what my brain does.
Now i do believe in a god, but an allowing christian god, per se. The christians say "God accepts us for who we are" Then goes off to say "But you cant do drugs, you can't fuck for pleasure, you can't enjoy a little sotomy, and so on." If the first one is true then the second cannot be. I think the allmighty being that watches over us accepts everything we do, say, think, feel. End of story, no if's and's or but's.
Thats my two cents. Im a hippocrite.
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Yes. I think it limits their thinking and imagination.
While I think this is usually true, I've come across quite a few odd cases in my life. I have several friends who are extremely intelligent and have excellent critical thinking skills... except when it comes to religion, for some reason. It's like their blind spot, the one thing they refuse to examine or question. It's really quite perplexing to listen to these complex, deep thinkers tell me, "I don't question God. The Bible says God exists and that's all I need to know."
Believe if you want, sure. I'm not going to try to stop anyone from believing what they want. I do wish people wouldn't give religion a free pass, though. I think it probably has to do with growing up with religion and having it ground into your brain by your parents, so that when you can think for yourself it doesn't even occur to you to question all those years and years of believing. I wouldn't have a problem with organized religion if everyone just admitted that what they believe is based on faith alone, instead of claiming that the Bible is an infallible book that predicts all sorts of world events and that there's somehow proof that can back up various Biblical claims. Believe whatever you want, but don't tell me that the Bible is empirical proof that Earth is only 6,000 years old. Saying that God exists because the Bible says he does, and it must be true because the Bible says God divinely inspired the writing of the Bible, is about as weak an argument one can make.
P.S. Please no one interpret this post as Bible bashing. I'm just stating my opinion that the Bible is merely another book like any other. In the end, I don't care what anyone believes, as in my view none of it matters anyway. We all just perish into nonexistence at death is my theory. So live how you want to live; however, that doesn't stop me from thinking less of you. Sorry, that's just how it is. Not to mention, how often do I see theists look down on non-theists? Don't judge and I wouldn't care enough to judge you. I can't tell you how many times I've heard/been told, "The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God'".
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I am a scientist. I believe in empirical evidence. Believing in something that has no real evidence is to me personally stupid. If you truly research the history of how the bible was put together you'll find that it was put together by men that wanted to control religion and people's thoughts. Take some real time do some real research and you'll find I'm right.
Oh, I know you're right. The very fact that the Bible was constructed, essentially put together piece by piece, by men should be enough for anyone to think, "What was the reasoning behind their selections?". Why were the books in the current day Bible chosen specifically? Why were others left out? All four of the gospels portray Jesus as a perfect divine figure. There were plenty of other gospels with contradictory stories.
Last edited by kroll; 07-14-2010 at 07:44 PM.
No. I still despise organized religion but I'm not going to dislike someone due to their being religious.
It's like you are stooping to their simplistic level of hatred. You don't believe in my god so there for I don't like you. Obviously its not how everyone thinks but I think you get my gist.
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I'm not going to dislike someone over their religious nature. I have plenty of religious friends that I like a lot.
I am, however, going to think less of their reasoning and critical thinking skills for believing in what I perceive as without basis.
Hit it straight on the head on that buddy. I think they tend to be more narrow minded.
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen Roberts
Yes.
I just get frustrated over how so many people believe the bible to be 100% true.
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Believing in god is one thing, I wouldn't think someone is necessarily less intelligent for doing so, or even for being a member of a religion. Denying science while being religious is where the problem is for me. You start denying something we have evidence for or against and then I am going to think you are less intelligent.
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watched the video on why the entire world is atheist? it's true man.
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If anyone's ever seen Religulous, Bill Maher hit the nail on the head I believe by saying "Atheism is a luxury". I don't look down on people that believe in God, because a lot of people turn to God when they have nothing else. Belief in a God helps them get through shit they can't get through themselves. I think religion is an incredible defense mechanism(i dont know if thats the right word) that allows people to push through hopeless situations that they otherwise couldn't. If you don't need religion to get by, I don't see why you should look down on people who do.
I dont know if its considered looking down, but i have a strong urge to try and explain the truth to them. However, i never try. It does not work. The sad thing is there is truth in every religion, but its been so massacred and covered up by greed and control thats its hard to find.
No i haven't actually. What's the name of it? It sounds interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AULrPLTpM4w
@CasuallyHigh: The truth doesn't exist. Them being right you being wrong and vise versa(sp), and every which way you look at it, your side is right. So...there is no right and wrong. its just a point of view at the end.
I get into the argument that no one is right and no one is wrong and that no one has any right to deny the other.
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DMT gave me all the proof i needed.
You are wrong.
I believe there's a right and a wrong. But in the end, i.e. when we die, we'll just cease to exist so none of it will have mattered at all. So I don't put much effort into convincing others.
In a way, our ideas are similar, Dys.
I agree completely. I mean do I seriously doubt the validity of the vast majority of religions? Absolutely. Does that mean that you can just say they are wrong? Absolutely not. I think some aspects can be wrong, or at least defy the evidence we gathered(which i don't believe would happen) but when you think of religions in broader senses than just going to church or being against abortion or some stupid topic like that then you really can't say it's wrong flat out. Personally if I were to choose a religion it would probably be Buddhism, it is the most reasonable one imo and it has some really interesting ideas.
Also casually high how exactly does doing drugs prove anything about anything. DMT may be a lot of fun and a great experience but to say it gave you all the proof you needed about religion sounds pretty dumb.
“All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”
“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”
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re: drugs, I agree with Illadelph. Those who trip on psychedelics and think they've found some great deeper meaning to the universe, or figured it all out, or found God, in my opinion, can't distinguish between reality and the products of a drug-induced brain. Those astounding revelations, those meetings with God... they are just your brain on a foreign substance. You have to differentiate between reality and delirium/hallucination. No molecule is going to enable your brain to defy physics or somehow see an alternate plane the eyes can't see otherwise. We are limited by our biology. Even if those planes existed, a drug would in no way enable us to see them. That's my opinion at least.
As for saying religions are wrong outright and such... I should clarify I don't think "religion" in the absolute broadest sense is wrong. It's impossible to prove a negative. I can't say "God doesn't exist." Only "I don't believe in God." As for ALL other aspects of religion, though... most of them are outright contrary to accepted and proven modern science. Those things I can and will say are wrong.
Regarding Buddhism, Ill--I think a reason Buddhism is so easily accepted by skeptics and doubters is because it's a non-theistic religion. It has no deity. Which puts it in a much better light than most other religions, in my view.
I don't think someone searching for answers and finding some of them coupled with some comfort in a structured religion necessarily makes them less intelligent. Sure there are some indoctrinated dummies and I think they tend to be the loudest therefore inflating their apparent constitution of the whole of the followers of a specific religion.
I just think dummies are dummies regardless of whether they believe in a religion/god or not. I think the percentage of dummies is consistent across all groups of people independent of any affiliation with anything.
It's just that the atheist/agnostic/nihilist dummies have the good fortune of having their beliefs "in vogue" and associated with learned/"enlightened" people. These dummies get to hide behind this convenient cloak.
If someone needs to rely on religion for support or to reference their faith in the face of unanswerable questions I dont think it makes them any less intelligent than anyone else. The truth is that no one fuckin knows, so some people choose to believe and some people don't. We won't know till we die, which is gunna be a fuckin trip.
I think the sad truth here is that most of the people on this planet are dense as fuckin doorknobs.
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I'm an atheist, have been ever since I figured out Santa wasn't real(no joke). I don't view someone as less than me, in any sense, because they are religious. Personally, I view Jews and Muslims at a higher regard than Christians. The former live their lives based on a code of laws(even though the Quran never says anything about a women having to cover her face, that's just man putting his word in 'God's' mouth). Where as Christians live a life based on faith. To attain heaven all one must do in Christianity is believe Jesus was the son of God, and you'll attain ever lasting life. Jews and Muslims(further referred to as Jewslims) must eat pure(Kosher... and I can't remember the Islamic equivalent)(also I don't know as much about Islam as I do Judaism), and perform certain Miztvot(jewish) in life.
Christians took the easy way to attain heaven, whereas Jewslims must work every day to attain the same.
Just because someone believes in a 'creator' be it God, Odin, Saturn, or a Flying Spaghetti Monster(my personal beliefs), doesn't make me feel less about them.
I will tell you what does make me feel less about someone who is religious though, them not being able to keep whatever holy text the subscribe to out of their mouths for more than 5 minutes. And the closed-mindedness of a large portion of the religious bunch.
If believing in any creator helps you go about your day without killing yourself, then religion is right for you, it is just not for me.
Plus we have no idea who is right, or wrong, until we die. And there is only one way to find out sooner than later, but you can't exactly come back and tell people about it(near death experiences don't mean shit to me, as I've had a heart rate of 0 on 2 occasions and didn't see anything cool, like angels licking my ass or demons fucking it).
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I dont dislike people because of their religion, but alot of them dont know how to "live". Im in mississippi so im surrounded by jesus freaks often.
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