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    Coolshit Cathinone, The Natural Amphetamine Q&A

    *This is not a FAQ. This is more of a general information on this plant. Its gotten my attention and i will do my own experimentation as soon as my plants grow tall enough*

    Welcome to a new world. A world where amphetamines are easily available. A world where unicorns and rainbows live in a world of perfect hlaomorny...wait what?! Welcome to the wondrous world of Cathinone, The Natural Amphetamine.


    Let me start off by giving all the basics you need to know:

    Q) What Is Cathinone and How Is It Natural?
    A)Cathinone is a monoamine alkaloid (remembered that off the tope of my head lol). It is natural because it grows in the leaves of a beautiful plant called "Catha Edulis" better knows as "Khat."

    Q)OK, So How Is It Like An Amphetamine and How is It Used/ Who Is It Used By and Why?
    A)Well, the khat plant contains a few alkaloids to produce an amphetamine like state. These alkaloids consist of:
    1)Cathinone (the most active alkaloid with the amphetamine/stimulant effect. This is only active in fresh leaves of live plants.)
    2)Norpseudoephedrine (This was once believed to be the active alkaloid in the plant. It was later discovered to be a stimulant with a rather low percentage found in the plant.) This is also knows as "Cathine." Cathine will form when the leaves of the plant are plucked. It will not happen immediately but normally, the cathinone will become cathine within 48 hours of being plucked.. Cathine is normally not desired by khat users because its weaker than cathinone. Cathine is closely related to ephedrine and the recently removed OTC diet pill ingredient phenylpropanolamine (PPA).

    It is used by sticking the leaves, stem, etc on the gums of your mouth. This technique is exactly like using dip. In fact, its referred to as "dipping." This lets the cathinone go into your blood stream faster giving you a quicker onset normally beginning in 5-10 minutes. It can also be produced the same way as coca tea is produced and drunk. That simply means you make a tea from the plant and drink it down. The taste is said to be pretty bitter and the onset normally begins in 30-120 minutes (depending on how full your stomach is)

    Khat is used mainly be eastern africans and others in the arabian peninsula. They use it so they may work longer and faster without being tired. They can also use it for medicinal purposes, appetite suppressants, etc. It has a number of uses I wont go into for now.


    Q)Whats the legality of this plant? Where can I obtain it?
    A)The plant itself is not currently listed but it is on the watch list (DEA watch list and its been since 1993) and will more than likely soon become illegal because of its contents. The contents of the plant, are already scheduled. Cathinone is a Schedule I drug under the U.S. Controlled Substance Act, and Cathine is a Schedule IV under the same act. As you can see, cathinone is flat out illegal, and cathine is mainly controlled but still legal.
    As far as obtaining a live plant, thats probably not going to happen. You will have to grow from seed more than likely. The seeds are pretty easy to obtain. You may be able to find then on ebay or some exotic plant import. Just look around. I got 40 seeds for $40 on ebay while another site was charging $120 for 10 seeds. The prices can be steep, but be patient and find the cheapest price possible.

    Q)Addiction? Consequences/Effects? Whats the catch?
    A)Cathinone can be psychologically and possibly physically addictive. Khat, like everything has its benefits and its down sides. Its effects include:
    1)Insomnia (As in, you cant sleep)
    2)Anorexia (As in rapid weight loss)
    3)Hyperthermia (As in when your body temperature goes down)
    4)Increased respiration (As in increased energy from cells that get converted to energy)
    5)Logorrhoea (As in incoherent talkativeness....also knows as "Being a hobo" lol)
    6)Constipation (As in you cant take a shit)
    7)Hypertension (As in blood temperature elevation)
    8)Mydriasis (As in dilation of the pupils)
    9)Arrhythmias (As in a really fast or a really slow heartbeat)
    10)Addiction (As in you will need it)
    11)Euphoria (As in happiness and peace of mind)
    12)Death (As in you die)
    13)Psychosis (This is not common but it has happened to a few people)
    If you can live with these things, khat is perfect. The chances of any of them happening very from person to person as well as dosages.

    Q)How To Use It and How Much To Use
    A)Like i said it depends. But normally, leaves are "dipped" for 10 minutes at 20-50 grams. Dosages are not well established for khat so I, nor can anyone, promise you the exact dose for you. This dosage was for cathinone. Extreme addicts of khat have been known to use up to 1000 gram.
    Cathine on the other hand will require 50-100 to get a light effect of cathinone. Keep in mind cathine is alot less potent than cathinone.
    The bottom line of a dosage if to be careful and start off small. Better safe than sorry right?

    Q)Cathinone Extraction Possibility?
    A)Its somewhat difficult to extract cathinone from khat. The only real problem is speed. Cathinone converts to cathine within 48 hours so you must do it fast. The problem is that fast can be deadly. You can keep up some of the cathinone by freezing the leaves or putting them in a fridge.

    Heres a synthesis for an extraction:
    Spoiler for extraction:

    for this study, freshly picked khat shoots were sent from a domestically grown source to the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Western Laboratory via express mail in a padded envelope, packed with shredded paper. The plant specimen was portioned into smaller parcels. The bulk of the sample was left to dry in a brown paper bag that was kept at ambient temperature and protected from light. Smaller sample portions were heat-sealed in evidence envelopes (that is, 0.0045-inch thick polyester barrier and placed in the laboratory refrigerator (-2?C) and freezer 11?C). For the time study, a simple and rapid method to extract the compounds of interest was devised based on standard alkaloid extraction techniques2. The procedure is described as follows.

    Extraction
    Approximately 5 to 6 g of plant material was cut into small pieces, dimensions of approximately 0.5 cm squares. The prepared sample was mixed with 15-20 mL of methanol, then sonicated for 15 min with intermittent shaking and stirring.

    Concentration
    The green methanolic extract was decanted into a breaker which was then condensed to near dryness (<1 mL) using a stream of air.

    Cleanup
    A very dilute solution of H2SO4 (approx. 0.02 N) was used to resuspend and acidify the plant residue. The acidified solution acquired a reddish hue. A chloroform extraction was performed to remove the neutral organic compounds as well as the remaining plant solids.

    Base Extraction
    A small amount of a saturated sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) solution was added to the aqueous solution to basify the extract. The pH change resulted in a light green solution. Methylene chloride was used to extract cathinone and cathine. A stream of air was used to reduce the extract to a minimal volume amount. (As a preventive measure, a solvent exchange to hexane is done to avoid degradation of the IRD light pipe.) Instrumental analysis was performed immediately after the base extraction8.
    Vapor Phase Infrared Spectroscopy

    The vapor phase infrared spectra were obtained on a Hewlett-Packard Model 5890 Series II Gas Chromatograph, using a 12 m by 0.32 mm HP-5 (0.52 µm loading) capillary column and a temperature program of 70?C for 1 min, 15?C/min to 270?C, with a final temperature hold for 5 min, equipped with a Hewlett-Packard Model 5965B Infrared Detector.

    Mass Spectrometry

    Mass spectra were obtained on a Hewlett-Packard Model 5890 Series II Gas Chromatograph, using a 12 m by 0.22 mm HP-1 [...]µm loading) capillary column and a temperature program [...]0?C for 2 min, 15?C/min to 300?C, with a final temperature hold [...]5 min, equipped with a Hewlett-Packard 5970 Mass Selective Detector (electron impact mode).

    Thin Layer Chromatography

    The plant extract was spotted directly onto a precoated 5 by 10 cm silica gel 60 (Kieselgel F254) plate. Cathinone and cathine drug standards (cathinone hydrochloride supplied by RSA Corporation, cathine base and cathine hydrochloride provided by DEA's National Testing Laboratory) which were dissolved in methanol [...] also applied. The plate was developed in ethyl acetate:methanol:aqueous ammonia (85:10:5), then viewed under an ultraviolet lamp [...] nm)[...]2,7,8,12,14. The spots were visualized using a 0.5% ninhydrin solution, and then the plate was heated using a heat gun. Cathine appeared purple, while cathinone was a burnt orange [...] moving spot). The Rf values obtained for cathinone and cathine were 0.46 and 0.25, respectively.

    Results

    Dried Samples Stored at Room Temperature

    [...] Day 1 as the day the khat material was harvested, 5 g leaves and stems were removed from the paper bag on a daily [...] and analyzed. Cathinone was detected as the major component [...] the Day 2 run of the IRD total response chromatogram [...] through Day 7 (Fig. 3). None or only a trace amount of [...] was detectable. On Day 5, cathine became detectable, in [...] to cathinone. By Day 11, the cathinone IRD peak height [...] TRC was twice or equivalent to the cathine peak, which made a positive identification for cathinone difficult, but still possible, due to the poor chromatographic separation. As the plant dried, more leaves were needed to yield the 5 g sample size. Analyses [...] longer time periods were not performed since there was insufficient [...] air-dried sample. The IRD detection of cathinone after 10 days of air drying is consistent with an earlier work which used thin layer chromatography (TLC) to verify the presence of cathi[...] collected khat samples that were first stored in thermoflasks containing dry ice for 3-4 days, then later allowed to air dry for 7 to 10 days12.

    The IRD spectra for cathinone and cathine isolated from the Catha edulis cuttings are shown in Figs. 4a,b and the mass spectra for cathinone and cathine standards are provided in Figs. 5a,b. Previous works have described using high-pressure liquid chromatography, gas chromatography, infrared spectroscopy, MS and TLC to identify cathinone and cathine. The mass spectra for the cathinone and cathine standards (Fig. 5a,b) are very similar, with an identical base peak at m/e 44 for both compounds. Some groups have used acetylation to better identify the two components by MS8. However, the IRD spectra for cathinone and cathine are unambiguous and unique (Fig. 4a,b).

    Refrigerated Samples

    A 3.5 g khat sample that was stored in a refrigerator for two weeks, exhibited cathinone and cathine (Fig. 6).

    Frozen Samples

    Samples stored in the freezer for 34 days and 48 days before showed cathinone and cathine, with the cathine levels in high concentration in the latter sample (Figs. 7a,b).

    Actual Khat Exhibit

    While this study was in progress, an actual khat exhibit was submitted to the Western Laboratory within four days of a U.S. Customs import seizure. Although the sample was sent by overnight delivery and analyzed on the day of receipt, the exhibit had undergone significant spoilage as evidenced by a foul smell and a disproportionately large amount of wet, brown leaves. There have been a number of [...] seizures submitted to several DEA field laboratories where the plant shoots were bundled and wrapped in large plant leaves. In this particular case, the submitted plant exhibit was packaged in plastic bags rather than in leaves which severely restricted air flow around the plant cuttings. Although approx. 50% of the leaves still appeared to be in a fresh condition and were selectively used for the analysis, cathinone was fairly difficult to detect since its IRD peak height was only one-third that for cathine.

    Recommendations for submitting khat samples to the laboratory include:

    Sending a representative sampling of the exhibit in [...] paper bags
    Packing the bags in sturdy cardboard boxes (which should then be properly sealed)
    Providing advance notice of the khat shipment to the laboratory
    Sending the shipment by overnight delivery
    Storing the plant cuttings in a cool area until the analysis is conducted
    [...] Findings

    Work by the DEA Northeast Laboratory has found that cathinone concentrated in the leaves rather than in the stems which is consistent with previous studies12,13. This present work supports earlier findings2,5,9 that once the plant cuttings are harvested, the cathinone concentration within the plant gradually decreases with the concomitant formation of cathine. However, once cathinone is extracted from the khat leaves, the reduction process from cathinone to cathine ceases to occur.

    Fig. 8
    3,6-Dimethyl-2,5-Diphenylpyrazine


    An undesired side reaction which develops during the cathinone isolation step is the oxidative dimerization of cathinone (3,6-dimethyl-2,5-diphenylpyrazine)2,7,8, and which significantly decreases the amount of cathinone detected. [...] rapid workup and analysis are recommended once the extraction process is completed to facilitate the detection of cathinone8. Although the results presented in this study are based on several khat plants, it should be noted that cathinone levels in the plant can be highly variable; depending on factors such as species, plant maturity, [...] and quality9.


    Conclusions

    This study provides conclusive results that cathinone can be extracted from harvested khat (Catha edulis) despite the elapse of almost two weeks to a month, when the plant samples do not visibly appear to be in their original freshly cut condition. Through proper sample handling, the sample holding time for khat plant material may be significantly extended while at the same time, allow for legal due process of a Schedule I drug, cathinone, rather than the Schedule IV drug, cathine.

    The use of vapor phase infrared spectroscopy to identify cathinone and cathinone provides unambiguous and unequivocable spectra relative to that obtained by mass spectrometry.


    Not just keep in mind, the synthesis came straight copy and paste. There is a synthesis out there that yields at 70% but im having some trouble finding it now. I will add it when i do find it.




    Q)I Question It All, Where Ar Your Sources?
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    Q)Potency?
    A)The potency of the plant is veried. The most potent is believed to be the red shoots and leaves. Those are the ones your looking for because they are worth more as a drug and possible in extractions.

    Well thats all i got for now. If anyone has anymore questions, let me know and i will add them.



    EDIT

    I found this video to demonstrate how it is chewed. Enjoy:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEhL5qVQbE4

    Notice that on 0:34 he uses a red branch and also on 1:00. Thats what i mean by more potent. Also that he uses a piece of gum to combat the bitter taste.




    Now notice this hilarious video of a dealer smacking an addict because he didnt have his money. lol reminds me of a "this is your brain on drugs commercial"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UzyP...eature=related
    Last edited by Dark_Knight; 01-11-2009 at 12:20 PM.

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    God could the guy chewing the khat look anymore disguisting resembling a cow chewing grass? How gross.
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    Qat is huge in middle eastern countries like Yemen. I have some kicking around, I mean it was nice in a sit around and chat it up with some mates kinda way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeroInTheHat View Post
    God could the guy chewing the khat look anymore disguisting resembling a cow chewing grass? How gross.

    lol my racism meter is ticking for some reason =p
    jk now that you mention it, your kinda right. I was going for a horse/hippo mix.
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    You too could get hopped up on Khat and shoot down a couple of blackhawks just like the Somalis did back in 1993!



    /sarcasm
    In the mornin I pack up my gear, and toss it in my carryall..

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