Performing a Cold Water Extraction (CWE)

[Bleeped]

Wetting and then freezing the filters supposedly is supposed to keep the solution from having to saturate the filter so that in theory you lose less opiates to binding up in the filter. But in the end I found that using a tightly woven dress shirt with a high thread count was more effective in filtering out APAP and faster filtering than coffee filters. All around better. So I pre-wetted the shirt and froze it before filtering. Freezing your filtering device also helps keep the temp of your solution low thereby ensuring that the APAP settles out more easily without draining through. Coffee filters were also disappointing in how much APAP they let through and I felt like I needed a PhD in patience to wait for them to do their job.

[chuckandluce]

Hi guys - Newbie here - first post ever. I have a very strange doctor who prescribed me 15 hydrocodone compounded with 15 dextromorph..something or other (OTC cough medicine.) Will CWE separate the cough medicine? Since it is a custom compound, it is already a powder I can just pour out of the capsule I already tried it and I think the dex actually turned kind of purple but didn't really filter out much. Anyone have experience with this? I am trying to get a different script but like I said - my doc is kind of strange. Also - is it possible for this powder to be Xtended release? would that make a difference in drinking the water left?

thanks for any tips!

BTW - the reason I want to filter out the dexto whatever is because it makes me tired and then I don't enjoy my buzz - I just fall asleep. The extra cough med is safe enough. My doc also said that to unless you have a compromised liver, a healthy person would need to take 4,000 to 8,000 mgs of APAP for months to see significant damage. A few glasses a water with 4,000 mgs of APAP a few times a week won't kill you.

[bigjohnmlb]

I am a very big guy, (6' even 280lbs but with a 52" chest, so its not all pudge) so I figured I'd do 50mg of oxycodone through the CWE process described here... I has very disappointed when I barely had a noticeable buzz going on... soooo I might have over done it and did another 50mgs lol I say that because I gave it a solid 20 minutes after the first dose before I felt ANYTHING at all, and less than 5 minutes after my second dose I am most certainly feeling it now... euphoric bliss... I have to say the cotton balls in the filter is probably the best filter option, I didn't get the chance to try it since I wam without cotton balls >.< added to the grocery list though.

I don't plan on using oxycodone too often, weed is definitely my drug of choice, but if your out, this oxycodone trip is a very nice alternative... Thanks for posting and saving my liver!!

also on a side not, been dealing with major neck and upper back pain lately, and right now I'm feelin good, thanks again

peace out

and just for the record, I did 50mg first time around because I tried just poppin em a couple weeks ago, but I ended up hitting the 4grams of apap with only a mild buzz... I'm a little envious of you guys that can get high off 25mgs...

[Steven_Tyler77]

Well, it does look like a pretty high dose for somebody with virtually no tolerance. Are you sure the lack of effects from the first CWE wasn't due to the fact that you might have failed at doing the extraction and lost most of the opiates? Do take care, because, even if for some reason you don't feel the subjective effects, respiratory depression can still happen at high doses.

Have you tried dosing on an empty stomach? Sometimes it makes all the difference in the world. Dosing on an empty stomach will yield more powerful effects.

Also, perhaps it would be a good idea to wait for more than 20 minutes before re-dosing. I usually wait at least 40 minutes, sometimes even 1 hour. Because 20 minutes seems like too short an amount of time for the drug to fully kick in. Yeah, I know that many people say that one should feel the effects of a CWE very quickly, but it always takes me more than half an hour to get to the point where I can clearly say I'm high.

Opiates are awesome drugs (I'm a regular user, pretty much mentally hooked to them, so what else can you expect me to say?), but there's a huge difference between opiates and weed (which I also love). Nobody ever overdosed on weed. If you smoke too much pot, you "green out", feel bad and then you're fine. But if you overdo opiates, you can end up having a case of respiratory depression/arrest leading to a fatal overdose. Use opiates with caution and with a different approach than the way you approach smoking pot. Please don't take dosages lightly and be careful...

[skatetyb]

I AM NEW TO THIS FORUM. I've done CWE for vicodin, norcs, 750's etc. i usually use about a half cup of water and 10 pills. I mix the water til it gets to be a pasty whitish color with no pebbles left of the pills. I mixed it in a small bowl and then cover it with plastic rap and have it sit in the freezer for about 10 mins. Then I use a dress shirt(damped in cold water) to filter it and it still is pretty cloudy white. Then I put that mixture through a coffee filter a few times and it seems to get most of the APAP out because it becomes more clear. I get a decent, lesser high rather than just taking the 10 pills straight up of course. I just wanted to check and see if this is probably the most efficient/fastest way to perform CWE. Anybody got anything I can add to my concoction to make it better ?

[Socially Inept]

Sounds like you're doing it just fine other than the amount of water you're using. A half a cup is quite a bit for just 10 pills. You could reduce the amount of water by half and still have the same results (while also not having to drink so much bad tasting liquid)

[Steven_Tyler77]

I agree with SI, you're probably using too much water. Erowid recommends using 40 ml/20 tablets (and never going over 50 ml/20 tablets). However, when you're dealing with just a few pills, things get a bit different. I'd like to quote Seth (a very knowledgeable opiate user) on this one: "When dealing with 12 pills or less, no more than an ounce of water should ever be required" (I hope we hear again from him some time soon, I do hope things are turning out all right for him...)

[dgilb77]

Can you def do a cwe with tylenol 3s ???????????????????

[NodSome]

Can you def do a cwe with tylenol 3s ???????????????????

Yes, in fact i did one tonight. I'm not sure that it is SUPER effective, however i extracted about 14 t3s in one batch and drank it all at once which i think wouldve made me sick, (from all the APAP), if it had not worked. The only pain in the ass is that T3's are huge and very hard to crush and take a very long time with a sharp razor to chop into fine powder.

[newtodnb]

what is the difference in length of time it lasts rather then popping them?

[Steven_Tyler77]

I don't think there's any difference, since it's the same ROA (the oral one). It should kick in faster if you perform a CWE though, as I've read on Erowid (already being in solution form, the drug is more quickly absorbed in you GI tract) - I personally never noticed much of a difference regarding the said issue.

You should be high for quite the same amount of time whether you pop the pills or CWE them. But your liver will be thankful to you if you choose to perform a CWE and get rid of all the APAP...

[Seth]

The only pain in the ass is that T3's are huge and very hard to crush and take a very long time with a sharp razor to chop into fine powder.

The pummeling step is really unnecessary, I have found that letting the pills dissolve on their own is much easier on the arms and only takes 15-25 minutes. Just add the pills into some water(1 ounce per 5-6 grams of APAP is a nice rule to follow), and stir it every 10 minutes with a toothpick. When there are no solid chunks, stir one last time and filter. If you see what appears to be flakes in the solution, don't worry. That is just the APAP and other binders crashing back out of solution. All of the hydrocodone is in the liquid.

what is the difference in length of time it lasts rather then popping them?

A cold water extraction accelerates the come up due to faster absorbtion, but seems to shorten the high slightly - about an hour or so less. Basically, on an empty stomach one feels effects in 10 minutes not 20, peaks harder and sooner, then comes down at a rate similar to snorting the parent compound only. Please, don't take this as a recommendation to crush up those Vicodin and rail those fuckers. All of that APAP ensures a waste of time, money, and your septum.

[LA Woman]

I am fed up with my CWEs. I usually extract 5 5/500's by using the flat bottom of a glass to crush them up very fine (in a shallow bowl) and adding slightly warm water to them (just enough to dissolve). I then, using a funnel, pour into a water bottle, and shake for about 30 seconds and pout back into the bowl and into the fridge for hours. By the time I'm about to pour the soln into the filter, I can literally see the white stuff separated from an almost clear liquid. Using 2 prewet coffee filters in a funnel, I let the solution drip into the glass. I am surprised at how much of a difference adding the funnel component makes as far as saving time. What frustrates me is that I drink the solution and of course, no longer feel anything, despite waiting for almost 2 weeks last time to get my tolerance back(( Upon doing a second extraction, i can still taste a lot of hydrocodone whichs tells me that the first extraction is not enough to get all of the hydro. Another thing that happens is that the second time around (and I've posted about this before), the amount of gunk in the filter seems to be reduced by half! where did all the apap go? I guess dissolved in the solution, despite my having used as little water as I could. So the frustrating this is that I obviously need to do a 2nd extraction to get out most of the hydro. On the other hand, this second extraction lets through a LOT of apap. I just want what everyone wants. To get the hydros while putting that garbage apap behind and I can't do it I don't want to risk using more pills since, as ST mentioned, respiratory depression will become a possiblity since you never really know what the lethal dose will be. I know that if I were to just take 5 pills whole, it would do the trick but obviously I'm not gonna do that. I don't know exactly how much gets lost in the first extraction to add extra pills to make up for it. Plus I don't want to waste my already difficult to get pills. Screw whoever thought of adding apap to narcotics.

[Vikeyguy]

I just used the method above since i had about 12 7.5s and have yet to take them a cheese cloth worked better since my coffee filters would take forever will post soon to let you know the effects

[LA Woman]

Hey Everyone,

My question is that, in performing a CWE, when dissolving the crushed tabs in water, can the water be cold rather than warm? Most often times when reading about this procedure I find that warm water is used to dissolve the powder which is then placed into the fridge/freezer to reach temperatures that allow APAP to precipitate from solution. I'm wondering why not use cold water from the start to avoid getting any APAP into the solution in the first place. I'm sure there must be a good reason for this but I just don't know it. Any feedback appreciated. Thanks.

[chuckstertam]

I've been given Hydrocondon (10/325) by my doctor, instead of CWE, can I just crush the tablets, put them in warm water, and let the tylenol settle, then take a straw and drink the water?

[advise a mad]

hello everyone...tonight i was doing a CWE and my mind was on everything except what i was doing. i dissolved the 932 in hot water, then immediately filtered it and drank it, totally skipping the whole cool down process. did i get any opiate?

thank you for any info...

[Banger8806]

My simple, and effective as hell way to do a CWE was to follow the formula for amount of APAP with percocet 10/325, about 20/day-25/2-days. Filtered with a coffee filter. then squeezed it to get all of the water out through a second coffee filter, then used a blow-dryer on low heat to dry it. ended up with about 200mg of percocet, every time, in clear crystals that i scraped and was able to insufflate... didn't do that often, though, mainly just split the resulting powder in half and used it as i saw fit. but the blow-dryer on low heat worked fantastically to dry it up, and i know from using IV percs in the past that they have a pretty high destruction point due to heat, so they are pretty stable and you don't really have to worry about damaging the oxycodone/hydro/codeine because the blow-dryer will not boil water (and I don't even believe that boiled water destroys the opies, a la heroine abuse and percocet IV, where you heat it up with a lighter until the water begins to reach boiling temp to dissolve cut/impurities).

[chinagirl]

I trying this as I type & I have the bowl in the freezer but nothing is falling to the bottom. Its been in the freezer for about 25 mins. How long does the cooling take? I followed all the prev steps correctly, but I did norice that when I mixed the powder in the warm water it didn't seem to look clear & had tiny white particles floating. Should I have used hotterwater? Please advise, thanks

[advise a mad]

how much powder should i expect from one 10mg perc? i did one tonight and it yielded about 4-1'' thin lines, and they were white. does that sound right to you?

[advise a mad]

My simple, and effective as hell way to do a CWE was to follow the formula for amount of APAP with percocet 10/325, about 20/day-25/2-days. Filtered with a coffee filter. then squeezed it to get all of the water out through a second coffee filter, then used a blow-dryer on low heat to dry it. ended up with about 200mg of percocet, every time, in clear crystals that i scraped and was able to insufflate... didn't do that often, though, mainly just split the resulting powder in half and used it as i saw fit. but the blow-dryer on low heat worked fantastically to dry it up, and i know from using IV percs in the past that they have a pretty high destruction point due to heat, so they are pretty stable and you don't really have to worry about damaging the oxycodone/hydro/codeine because the blow-dryer will not boil water (and I don't even believe that boiled water destroys the opies, a la heroine abuse and percocet IV, where you heat it up with a lighter until the water begins to reach boiling temp to dissolve cut/impurities).

how much powder should i expect from one 10mg perc? i did one tonight and it yielded about 4-1'' thin lines, and they were white. does that sound right to you?

[Socially Inept]

how much powder should i expect from one 10mg perc? i did one tonight and it yielded about 4-1'' thin lines, and they were white. does that sound right to you?

First off, why are you CWE'ing ONE percocet? Second, you should expect zero "lines" from that ONE percocet that you CWE'd. The white stuff that is left over is the APAP- you throw that away and drink the water that you filter. If you expect to get some kind of snortable lines, you will need to CWE a whole lot more than just one perc, evaporate the water that you filter, and scrape up the small amount of powder that should be left over after you evaporate the water and snort that. I guess I could be wrong about this, but I find it nearly impossible to believe that you got "4-1 inch thin lines" from CWE'ing a percocet.

[Banger8806]

Like I said, I used 10-12 10mg 10/325 percocets to extract. You have to use a large amount, and expect to lose at least 1/4 of the yield.

That said, I was able to yield 100mg per 120 each time because I did it enough, and screwed up enough, that I know the formula. Trial and error, my friend. If you want to extract once, you will lose. Especially with one pill. The formula calls for at least 10 pills (aka, too much to consume them without extracting the APAP (Acetamenophen) safely), or taking less than 4000 mg daily, repeatedly.

This is for prescription users, who need to understand how to over-dose safely, because they are prescribed a more-than-healthy amount of acetaminophen daily.

[Banger8806]

I would expect 2 lines from 10 10/325s, if that helps you understand...

[xXRomeo]

Okay so I don't really do this often so I have a low tolerance. But I want to cold water extract the codeine out of these acetamino/codeine 2064 v 3 pills they are 300-30 MG and I was wondering how many should I start with to get a fairly good feeling if any?

[Ginger]

Hi,
(maybe this is the right place to say this, maybe not)

I have a small issue which has been bugging me for a while with the often repeated advice about the "cwe" method for harvesting codeine from otc combination meds.

I get that opiates are soluble at much lower temperatures than many other substances. However, disssolving the lot in warm water then cooling that mixture might well drop the "chalk" out of suspension so it can be filter-separated but that doesn't necessarily leave the acetaminophen or whatever within the white mud.

Compare to coffee powder and sugar dissolved into warm water subsequently refigerated. You just get a cold cup of sweet coffee. Were you to have added a teaspoon or two of wheat flour or some other powder that had merely gone in to suspension, of course it would settle out on cooling. The coffee and the sugar, being dissolved not suspended will not come out of solution just by reducing the temparature.

It sounds like a junkie myth that everything but the opiates precipitates out of the water in the freezer.
Isn't it more likely that to omit the "warm water" stage and to crush & dissolve the combo pills in ice water so only the opiates go into solution in the first place separates the "very soluble in cold water" bits from the substrate and other unwanted chemicals?

There are many brands of aspirin/ibuprofen/paracetamol on the market which are totally soluble at room temperature or cool water.

Kindest Regards,
Ginge, Adelaide, South Australia

[tammystone999]

I agree with last poster. We get it cold, put it into a coffee filter and wait 3 hours for the water to filter? After the first half hour the entire thing is room temperature again. So it has never made sense. So my questions are, even if you filtered at room temperature, wouldn't the apap stay behind and the good stuff go through the screen anyway? Only if its cold, it goes throught the mesh and leaves the apap behind? That never made sense to me.
And the final question, do you pour the mixture into the coffee screen and wait? Whenever I do that it take over 3-4 hours. Even when I divy it up between 8 cups it takes 2-3 hours. Should you pour it into the filter and then immediately start squezing the water out and in order to leave the apap in the filter? But then again, you could do this with room temperature water and it would still squeeze out the water and leave the apap behind, so I don't get the cold water thing. any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[fahq613]

Myth your signature is absolutely hilarious, registered just cause i had to say something

[morenorco]

I am a bit confused....

When doing a CWE with 10 norco's 10mg hydrocodone 325mg APAP some suggest 2.5ml per pill while others suggest 100-200ml for ten 10mg norcos.

Can anyone clarify the proper amount of water I should be using?

[Steven_Tyler77]

I am a bit confused....

When doing a CWE with 10 norco's 10mg hydrocodone 325mg APAP some suggest 2.5ml per pill while others suggest 100-200ml for ten 10mg norcos.

Can anyone clarify the proper amount of water I should be using?

If you use the following guidelines for estimating the proper amount of water needed for a CWE, you can never go wrong about it:

(1) First of all, Erowid recommends using 40 ml/20 tablets (and never going over 50 ml/20 tablets). This is useful for larger amounts of pills, say over 12.

(2) For 12 pills or less, Seth, a very knowledgeable long-time opiate user from this forum recommends never using more than an ounce of water (~30 ml).

If I were you, I'd go about it using an ounce of water, since I'm dealing with only 10 pills. Too much or too little water can botch the extraction.

100-200 ml for ten 10mg norcos seems to me a HUGE amount of water. Don't do this, as you will for sure ruin the extraction... As to the 2.5 ml per pill thing, I've never read about this figure. By dividing the Erowid recommended numbers by the number of the pills, I notice you get 2 ml/pill, which is close, but, as I said, this works with larger amounts. There's really no point in calculating how many ml per pill you need. Just use the above guidelines and things will work out fine. Good luck and enjoy your opiates man