Performing a Cold Water Extraction (CWE)

**Stiffy** · 12-02-2008, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by steves

Rather than crunching up the vicodin pills to make them more dissolvable in water, here is a much easier way: put them into a blender (the "magic bullet" type works best), and let it rip! some of the pieces on the bottom will not get pulverized, so the easiest way to take care of that is to pick the blender up while it's running and shake it up and down a bit to get the larger chunks to contact the metal blade of the blender. You'll need to leave the lid on for a minute or so to allow the "dust" to settle. Presto! Follow the rest of the instructions as necessary!

Nice, I have a magic bullet. Welcome, way to join and contribute.

**cutthroat** · 12-06-2008, 07:12 AM

i know i am an addict! Actually i just got out of detox for heroin use! I found out it is hard to casually shoot dope.. well i have known this! Ummm since i stopped doing dope my tooth got sooo infected and inflamed my right side of my face! i have heard about the cold water extraction (never done it but it seems simple! i would have to eat too perks to relieve the pain. so i am going to cold shake them! io have like 12 10/325 perks and i need to know if anyone knows the best amount of water to use so my mix is not real weak! because i am an addict i will be shooting the concoction and want to use the least amount of water possible. So if anyone has any suggestions. please let them fly! -peace love-respect-and equality

**Falc** · 12-06-2008, 07:24 AM

Whoa, don't shoot the results of a C.W.E. There will still be some APAP in the final product, along with any other fillers that may be water soluble. It is NOT worth the risk of fucking yourself up. Totally not.

**curious3k1** · 01-06-2009, 11:19 AM

I would add one more thing for anyone that wants to do something besides drink this nasty shit and would prefer it in powder to do w/e they want with it.

After doing CWE put water onto a large oven pan, like a cookie sheet. Set oven to 140 fahrenheit, mine didnt go lower that 150 but thats ok (i set mine to 175 because im impatient). Supposedly opiates get less potent over 140 but I haven't noticed. This will take some time you need to wait for the water to evaporate completely and you will be left with crystals that you can scrape off and do w/e u want with. Baking time will vary depending on the amount of water you used and the amount of surface the water is spread across and of course the temperature. So be patient and wait a couple hours, the powder is well worth it.

I'd recommend doing one extra step during CWE unless you have VERY good filters. After filtering, take the water and stick it in the freezer for about 10-15 minutes on top of some ice or frozen meat. Take a small piece of cotton swab and a syringe and extract the fluids through the cotton swab into syringe and then let the water out on your cookie sheet. This is the best possible way to filter I've found, it takes some extra time but you will notice that the water you get at the end is extremely clear compared to the milky white that you get after doing the filter through something.

My CWE extraction method:

1. Take a glass (a) and fill it with ice, then fill with cold water.
2. Take pills and crush them into a very find powder (i used percocet)
3. Pour a small amount of water from glass (a) and pour into another glass (b)
4. Add powder to water and stir with a fork, use your finger afterwards to remove the extra off the sides of glass (b) and then just stick ur finger in the water.
5. Put glass (b) into the freezer on top of ice or something frozen.
6. Take glass (a) and pour out extra water and ice. Take your filter (i used a paper towel folder in half), and put it over the glass (a).
7. Pour water from glass (b) through the paper towel and let drip into glass (a). You can pick the paper towel up and squeeze it slowly to speed up the process. Make sure you get as much as you can out of the paper towel.
8. Put glass (a) into the freezer.
9. Get your syringe and small piece of cotton swab and preheat your oven to 150
10. Drop cotton into glass and start sucking out the water through the syringe and spray the water out onto your cookie sheet.
11. Put cookie sheet into oven and just wait... it took me like 3 1/2 hours to evaporate mine. But I used about 40mL of water and 100mg oxy.
12. Once its done it will be in crystalized form you can just scrape it of slowly (or it will break off and powder will fly all over).

**winter** · 02-03-2009, 10:24 AM

im new here. my pill bottle says "oxycodone w/apap 5/325 ta" can i do a cold water extraction on my pills? ive been snorting them and have snorted more powder into my nose than i can even imagine, but nonetheless, i did, and am feeling really crappy actually. part of it may be b/c i was taking tramadol for awhile ( a lot, i went thru 120 pills in 7 days) and am now out of them, so is the withdrawl from the tramadol causing the oxycodone to not work as well as it usually does as far as the euphoria and energy surge? normally snorting 3 or 4 of my oxycodone gives me a good effect, well, ive snorted probably about 15 over the course of the day and am feeling only bad side effects, nothing good. blurred vision, weakness, aches and pains (yeah, go figure) headaches, my hands and feet are ice cold but my face ears lips and eyes are very hot, and i have that awful, 'been doing coke feeling and cant sleep'. would cold water extracting my pills even be a good idea? i just want to feel better, ive got a newly filled script here and just cant get a good feeling. do i feel bad due to not having tapered down from the tramadol, or from all the tylenol i snorted from the oxycodone? can someone please tell me what i should do and how to feel better? with it all in my system right now will it even benefit me to try the cwe at the moment? can someone help me?

**Zunger** · 02-04-2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by winter

part of it may be b/c i was taking tramadol for awhile ( a lot, i went thru 120 pills in 7 days)

This part is fairly scary. Tramadol is known to cause seizures when you take more then 6~8 in a 24 hr period, glad to see you're off them. As for the original question, yes, you can cwe them but I doubt you'll see any notice on how you feel, as in any different than if you took them normally. I would definitely stop snorting them until you feel better, as that's a shitload in a day. Personally, after 2-3 of the 5/350's here I can't take doing that anymore

**Myth** · 02-04-2009, 10:47 PM

I've taken as much or more Tramadol than that in my life, more than a few times. I never experienced any bad side effects, not even withdrawal from them. WD came with the Opiates, not the synthetics.

Winter, you are experiencing withdrawal from Opiates. The only way you'll feel better is if you keep using frequently and risk your health, or quit and go through this pain for a while longer until it passes, which it will. Doing a CWE will only take out the tylenol, which isn't your problem, the tramadol is.

**enjoiaudio** · 03-02-2009, 04:41 PM

APAP/CODEINE300-30MGTAB (10 tablets)

I read going over a gram of apap is dangerous..
I know people who take/have taken codeine (whether it had apap in it I'm not sure) but what exactly is a dosage if you wanted to have the "loopy" experience and what exactly does it do?

**Anonymous** · 03-02-2009, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by enjoiaudio

APAP/CODEINE300-30MGTAB (10 tablets)

I read going over a gram of apap is dangerous..
I know people who take/have taken codeine (whether it had apap in it I'm not sure) but what exactly is a dosage if you wanted to have the "loopy" experience and what exactly does it do?

General Codeine Info:
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/codeine
http://leda.lycaeum.org/index.pl?ID=11309

From Lycaeum regarding dosage:

Spoiler for Codeine Dosage:

If you have a general question unrelated to the thread, search first. Something like codeine dosage isn't very hard to find. I found those two pages in <30 seconds. If you don't find the right answer to your question on Google or with this forum's search, then start a thread with the question. Not trying to call you out, just some constructive criticism.

**Rosco2** · 03-04-2009, 01:14 PM

If you're using a coffee filter, it can take an hour or more for all the water to filter through. So is it better to do the filtration inside the refrigerator, so the water stays cool during that hour or more?

I mean once the water has chilled inside the fridge for 30 or 45 minutes, if you then remove the jar from the fridge and do the filtering at room temperature (outside the fridge), the water temp will rise a lot over that hour. So which do you think is better: filtering while inside the fridge? Or taking the cold water out of the fridge and then doing the filtering at room temperature?

**IntoxicatedRebal** · 03-07-2009, 10:13 PM

iv never done pure codiene b4 but iv done all the other opiots (manly oxy and heroin) and im now on methadone so my tolerance is very high so will this work for me? is anyone else out there on methadone or other opiots that do CWE and does it work for you?

**IntoxicatedRebal** · 03-07-2009, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by winter

im new here. my pill bottle says "oxycodone w/apap 5/325 ta" can i do a cold water extraction on my pills? ive been snorting them and have snorted more powder into my nose than i can even imagine, but nonetheless, i did, and am feeling really crappy actually. part of it may be b/c i was taking tramadol for awhile ( a lot, i went thru 120 pills in 7 days) and am now out of them, so is the withdrawl from the tramadol causing the oxycodone to not work as well as it usually does as far as the euphoria and energy surge? normally snorting 3 or 4 of my oxycodone gives me a good effect, well, ive snorted probably about 15 over the course of the day and am feeling only bad side effects, nothing good. blurred vision, weakness, aches and pains (yeah, go figure) headaches, my hands and feet are ice cold but my face ears lips and eyes are very hot, and i have that awful, 'been doing coke feeling and cant sleep'. would cold water extracting my pills even be a good idea? i just want to feel better, ive got a newly filled script here and just cant get a good feeling. do i feel bad due to not having tapered down from the tramadol, or from all the tylenol i snorted from the oxycodone? can someone please tell me what i should do and how to feel better? with it all in my system right now will it even benefit me to try the cwe at the moment? can someone help me?

"winter"
you sound like youre dope sick my friend...i think you should lay off them for abit, thats why youre feeling so crapy.

**ResponsibleFamilyMan** · 03-14-2009, 03:33 PM

I am about to start pushing weights & wanted extraction info so I could responsibly self medicate to counter any significant musce/joint pain I may encounter.

From that motive, I was doing an advanced Google search when I found this forum.

Although I found the extraction info here to be useful, I have a question that came up when I was reading through the part of extraction directions.

In the section of the extraction process, it was mentioned that if a formula had caffiene in it, the extraction wouldn't remove it. What I'm trying to verify is whether Stimularium had meant that the caffiene would remain in the extracted target pharma, or whether he meant that the caffiene would prevent the target pharma from being succesfully extraced?

I could have just PMed Stimulerium with that question, but then that would deprive the answer from anyone else who wondered the same thing, so it made more sense to post the question here, rather than just PMing it.

Although I guess I could have just did some basic research on caffiene solubility in water & at whatever temps that occurs at, I wimped out & registered here to get the info the easy way.

Who knows, maybe we can formulate a process for removing caffiene from the extracted target pharma? I know that caffiene is often added in the factory to enhance the effect of the acetaminophen & target pharma, but perhaps some CWE users here may use the target pharma for relaxation & sleep disorders, so they may benefit from a way of removing the caffiene from ther "goodies".

By the way, before anyone here warns me that over medicating workout pain risks serious injury, I already know that. (thanx anyway though) I used to workout years ago, but a high speed car crash ended my fitness efforts. Some body builders have suffered crashes & their intense strength helped them recover faster than when regular folks have suffered imilar impact injuries, but I had only started working out when a drunk driver put me into a telephone pole at about 80 miles an hour. Needless to say, I wasn't build solidly enough to brush off the impact as easilly as a developed athlete would have.

I'm guessing that Stimulerium had meant that any caffiene in the original formula would also be unintentionally extracted along with the target pharma, but I could be wrong. If caffiene effectively binds codiene etc from being cold water extracted, then I'd like to know before wasting my time trying. I imagine that others here might also want to know that too.

Thanx!

**Anonymous** · 03-14-2009, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by ResponsibleFamilyMan

I'm guessing that Stimulerium had meant that any caffiene in the original formula would also be unintentionally extracted along with the target pharma...

This. What's the caffeine:codeine ratio in the pills? Chances are it's small enough that you won't really be getting anywhere near dangerous doses of caffeine, but you should check it out.

**ResponsibleFamilyMan** · 03-15-2009, 12:41 AM

I was only considering extraction on T3s and/or an in-house Life brand of OTC codeine formula from Shoppers Drug Mart called "Muscle & back Pain 8".

The 8 means 8 mg codiene. (yeah, I know, hardly worth the effort for a measly 8 mgs of relief)

wow, I just took a peek at the label & found that the formula contains:

* Methocarbamol 400mg
* Acetominophen 325mg
* Codeine Phosphate 8mg

I wasn't even aware of the methocarbamol. What is it? A muscle relaxant?

Most importantly, will it wash out into my codiene & kill me in my sleep with a lethal dose???

Damn!!! I was a lot happier when the only fly in the ointment was caffeine!!!

Oh well, maybe the methocarbamol is only oil soluble, or maybe it has a significantly different seperation temp than the codeine???

More research needed, I guess...

**ResponsibleFamilyMan** · 03-15-2009, 05:02 AM

Okay, I'm back again.

Anyway, I researched methocarbamol solubility & here's what Google pulled up:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&as...i=&safe=images

It would appear the although the stuff does leach into water, it doesn't do so easilly, so maybe if I grind the hell out of the tablets, the codeine will dissolve into the water fast enough to saturate the water to the point that most of the methocarbamol won't be able to dissolve.

That's what I'm hoping anyway. A little test will prove what's going to happen.

There might be a better product around here that won't have the methocarbamol.

It's not like I would need to medicate often anyway, I just wanted an easy way to get my hands on something just in case I ever do have a little too much pain to sleep or work through. After all, there's nothing like needing a pain med right away, but hearing from your doctors receptioninst that he/she is booked solid for the next 2 or 3 weeks. Yes, I've had that happen, and the old farts that work at the local walk-in clinic won't give out a scrip for anything with any real punch. I was forced to get some T3s from the emergency ward of my local hospital ward. At those doctors actually care a little about peoples suffering and aren't scared to hand a guy a little bag of meds to take the edge off the pain.

I'll have to poke around a little & see what else has codeine around here that doesn't have too much other junk to deal with.

**eric8er** · 03-16-2009, 09:26 AM

I take methadone, 10 mg. I cannot find any information on cold-water extraction for these pills, maybe one of you could tell me, if its a possibility to extract the methadone, and leave behind the other "crap"

**kroll** · 03-16-2009, 04:38 PM

You don't need to perform a CWE on methadone... They don't come with APAP, unless I've just never seen any that does.

**ResponsibleFamilyMan** · 03-19-2009, 03:46 PM

I think Chrol is right. In fact, I don't there's any logical medical reason for any pharmacist or big pharma company to formulate methadone scrips with anything medicinal other than methadone itself. That's because methadone is meant solely for helping opiate adicts come off street opiates. That's stupid though, because methadone is a synthetic opiate with a much slower metabolic cleansing (removal) rate & so it hangs around in the body a lot longer than real "proper" naturally sourced (non synthetic) opiates like heroin etc.

Aside from Gods' power (rarely accessed by average people), the best thing for a heroin junkie to use for coming off heroin is heroin itself. "Skating down" off heroin is faster than trying to wean oneself off methadone because heroin is a natural molecule & metabilises out from body tissues faster than methadone. I'm NOT encouraging any methadone user to go back to heroin, all I'm saying is that if I were a heroin addict trying to get clean, I score a big bag of smack, some clean needles, a little bottle of non-opiate pain killers & tranquilizers, a bag of strong weed & a couple big bottles of vodka.

I'd gradually reduce my heroin dosage until I was down to a 1/2 point or a 1/4 point or something relatively mild, then I'd switch over to the pain pills, the weed and a LITTLE vodka to magnify the effects of the pills & weed.

Lots of sleep, good food, clean water & maybe some excersize would help get a guy over the rough ride faster than trying to metabolize the sluggish methadone molecule out of my body.

For someone already taking methadone, ask yourself why you are taking it. Are you REALLY trying to get off the smack, or are you just looking for another high?

If you're trying to get high, be honest with yourself & act accordingly. (Don't O.D. based on my advice. I hope everyone recovers. I did several years ago & life is 10 times better now)

If you actually DO want recovery, then take your methadone, reducing the potency as fast as you can tolerate the withdrawl & as fast as your drug pushing doctor will authorise a reduction in potency. If your doc is a jerk & won't reduce your potency as fast as you KNOW you can tolerate, then maybe you can try taking less methadone per dose yourself.

Good Luck & God Bless You!!!

Jesus Loves You!!!

**ResponsibleFamilyMan** · 03-19-2009, 04:10 PM

An update:

I found a generic substitute for T1s locally. They have the usual 8 mg codeine, 15 mg caffeine & 300 mg acetominophen. 200 tabs for $14. That's a theoretical 1600 mg of pain relief for $14. No scrip required. No waiting for weeks to see my family doctor.

As I said before, for me, cold water extraction is NOT a means to get high. If I wanted that, I'd just go back to the street life.(Yuck!!!)

Assuming that "average" muscle soreness would require about 2-4 T3s to dull to a level where sleep or work were a realistic possibility, that means that I would need to "juice" about 7-10 T1s to get the same effect.

Anyway, thanks again to Stimulerium for the basic extraction recipe. I think that with practice & a scientific approach, a guy could refine the recipe for maximum codiene yield.

I'm almost tempted just buy a couple more bottles & "juice" the whole works, evap the water & standardise the dosage into a table sugar carrier medium into gel caps, but it isn't worth the security risk. I'm not going to risk jail just to get faster relief. If I refine the extraction process, I think I can get the acetaminophen to precipitate fast enough that small individual dose sized batches are fast & easy with minimal risk.

Adios Amigos!

**Garlgarrahha** · 03-19-2009, 10:00 PM

very nice i actually need to do this nice guide.
+ rep if i had any.

anyone done this with dyhydrocodine
i have some but dont know how many mg to extract for a decent buzz

**zakattak** · 04-30-2009, 02:46 PM

ive never really heard of this but thanks for the tip, cant wait to try it.

**Digital Man** · 06-10-2009, 05:46 PM

Hey all, just managed to get my hands on some 5/500 hydros, and to me that's just insane. 5mg of hydro is just a joke, no matter who you are and that 500mg of APAP is just plain scary. Planning on CWE it tonight, but that's seems sort of risky as well as I'd be doing 6 pills(30mg hydro) at once which is, potentially, 3000mg of APAP right there.

I've been using the coffee filter method, even though it seems to take forever at the end and with the high amount of APAP I figured I'd do it twice in a row. From previous CWE sessions, with higher mg pills, I notice it leaves quite a bit of yellow substance behind, I am assuming this is that APAP?

I wish there was another way to be more certain as to how much of the APAP is removed, but generally this isn't an issue as I don't deal with pills with this caliber of APAP(just sort of in a bind). I'm assuming that were even half of that 3000mg APAP to get through, somehow, I'd be in big trouble?

Any last minute tips?

Thanks!

**chrisahx** · 08-02-2009, 02:12 PM

I know this is a very OLD post, but in case you check this board, I have some questions. I tried the CWE last night with Hydrocodone 10/750, 4 tabs (those generic fairly large blue pills) they crush out a lot of powder, and last night it took about 3 hours for it to run thru the coffee filter. I didn't really notice anything but a fairly clam feeling. BUT I have an extremely high tolerance for opiates. Currently take 60mg's of Methadone daily, but yesterday I didn't take the methadone. (IS it really true that methadone can block opiates?) Anyway, what would you or anyone suggest? MORE hydro? And is there a way to speed up the filtering process, does it go thru cheesecloth faster.

**Socially Inept** · 08-02-2009, 02:53 PM

lets see... Yes it's true that methadone blocks opiates from getting you high.

if you have a big tolerance, cwe'ing 4 lortabs probably won't get you too high.. Doing the cwe doesn't make the narcotic any more potent, it just removes most of the APAP (the stuff that's bad for you) so if 40mg of hydro doesn't usually get you high, 40mg of cwe'd hydro probably won't either. I do CWE's all the time, and never use less than 10-15 vicodin or norco's.. there really isn't much of a point in doing just 4, you could have just eaten them and been fine.

Did you wet the coffee filter first? That's an important step that some ppl forget. Yes it will strain thru cheese cloth a lot faster, but you will have more apap in your water at the end. It takes time and practice to prefect cwe'ing.. Better luck next time!

**eqt146** · 08-11-2009, 08:24 PM

Is the powder that results from evaporation smokeable?

**candg05** · 09-02-2009, 07:29 PM

I have a friend who snorts hydro's, is it ok for him to snort the powder left over, or is it better to drink it? I saw that you can put the powder left over into the oven, does that work? Please EMAIL me and let me know... Thank you in advance... Candg05@msn.com