Alternative amphetamine reductions

[thundercles]

Well, since Ihateyoudienow mentioned chemistry, it brought to my attention the severe lack of chemistry in this forum. Any of you chemistry enthusiests, cooks, or anyone who even just does amphetamines may be interested in the fact that there are two other widely unknown reductions from phenylpropanolamines (ephedrines) to phenylpropylamines (amphetamines). The first is a direct borohydride reduction of the alchohol to an alkane with phosphonium anhydride activation:
Prepare a solution of 20 mmol triphenylphosphine oxide in 30 mL of dry methylene chloride. At 0 degrees C add dropwise a solution of 10 mmol triflic anhydide in 30 mL of dry methylene chloride. After 15 minautes when the precipitate appears add a solution of 10 mmol of your ephedrine in 10 mL dry methylene chloride. The precipitate should vanish in 5 minautes. 40 mmol of sodium borohydride is added as a solid all at once and the slurry is stirred at room temperature for 4.5 hours. The mixture is washed twice with ~5% NaOH then water and brine. Lastly it is dried over MgSO4 and passed thru a short plug of silica to remove triphenylphosphine oxide. Evaporation should yeild 89%

This first method has a great yeild but burns up so many by-chemicals in the process that I think the second one sounds much more promising and even easier. I'm kinda tired so I'll post it later. I deserve two posts for putting up so much info anyways.

Edit: and these methods are quite different from the traditional methods that almost all meth you see on the streets is made from. The big difference is that the Red Phosphorus and Birch Reduction techniques are well known and involve using HEAVILY watched chemicals, whereas these are not well known and involve only slightly watched chemicals at best.

[JimmyB]

the method i know....


go to walmart
steal/buy as much sudafed,..walfed as you can

use denatured alcohol to seperate the ephedrine
use medical grade iodine to do something.....
then.....ok im drunk and im drawing a blank....but ill think of it later hopefully


its been 2 years since ive been with a cook, ive never done it myself but ive been tweekin with them while they have done it. im missing a key ingredient, i cant remember what the fuck it is.....

damn, i dont remember much of those years but ive seen it done many of night. no b ullshit. naybe when i sober up il remember

[JimmyB]

lol i used to be a hardcore tweeker, but i guess ive reformed my ways.....sorry guys

[ellesdee]

Jimmyb :o

In Newzealand we are currently having a huge problem with P (methamphetamine)
It's probally the most widely available drug, and I used to live with a cook.
I'll see if I can find out any tips :)

[Lysergic]

I'm going to quote a post I made on a friend's website.
Please don't try and cook meth when you've been up for a few. I've seen people blow their shit up. Not cool.


Note: Making this could be EXTREMELY hazardous to your health.

















Making Methamphetamine at home:

List of chemicals and materials:

* Diluted HCl - also called Muriatic acid - can be obtained from hardware stores, in the pool section
* NaOH - also called lye
* Ethyl Ether - aka Diethyl Ether - Et-0-Et - can be obtained from engine starting fluid, usually from a large supermarket. Look for one that says "high ethyl ether content", such as Prestone
* Ephedrine The cottons in todays vicks nasle inhalers dont contain efed or pfed (ephedrin or psuedoephedrin) but there are still lots of easy ways to get good ephed or pfed, pure ephedrin can be extracted out of it's plant matter, from a plant that can be bought at most garden stores. Or you can get pfed from decongestive pills like sudafed. Most people perfer to work with pfed from pills rather then ephed from the plant. The important thing is that you must have pure pfed/ephed as any contaminants will fuck up the molar ratio leaving you with over-reduced shit or under-reduced shit. Or contaminats will jell durring baseifying and gak up your product which will then be very hard to clean. So you want to find a pill that is nearly pure pfed hcl, or as close to pure as you can get. Also check the lable on your pills and see what inactive ingredients they contain. Inactive ingredients are things like binders and flavors. These you dont want and will remove when cleaning your pills. but certain inactive ingredients are harder to remove then others. You dont want pills with a red coating, you dont want pills with alot of cellose in them and you dont want pills with much wax. you also dont want pills that contain povidone. As a rule, if you have a two pills that contain the same amount of pfed hcl then take the smaller sized pill because it obviously has less binders and inactive ingredients, time released pills are usualy harder to work with because they have more binders and tend to gel up durring the a/b stage. Also only buy pills that have pfed hcl as the only active ingredient. You first have to make ephedrine (which is sometimes sold as meth by itself):If you are selling it...I would just make ephedrine and say it's meth.
* Distilled water - it's really cheap, so you have no reason to use the nasty stuff from the tap. Do things right.

List of equipment :

* A glass eyedropper
* Three small glass bottles with lids (approx. 3 oz., but not important)one should be marked at 1.5oz, use tape on the outside to mark it (you might want to label it as ether). One should be clear (and it can't be the marked one).
* A Pyrex dish (the meatloaf one is suggested)
* A glass quart jar
* Sharp scissors
* Clean rubber gloves
* Coffee filters
* A measuring cup
* Measuring spoons



Preparing your Lab:

Preparing Ethyl Ether:
WARNING: Ethyl Ether is very flammable and is heavier than air. Do not use ethyl ether near flame or non-sparkless motors. It is also an anaesthetic and can cause respiratory collapse if you inhale too much.

Take the unmarked small bottle and spray starter fluid in it until it looks half-full. Then fill the rest of the way with water, cap the bottle and shake for 5 minutes. Let it sit for a minute or two, and tap the side to try and separate the clear upper layer. Then, draw off the top (ether) layer with the eyedropper, and throw away the lower (water) and cloudy layer. Place the ether in the marked container. Repeat this until you have about 1.5 oz. of ether. Put the cap on it, and put it in the freezer if you can. Rinse the other bottle and let it stand.

Ethyl ether is very pungent. Even a small evaporated amount is quite noticeable.

Ephedrine & or P-Ephedrine: Please discuss this on the neonjoint forum

5. Pour 1/8 teaspoon of the lye crystals into the bottle of ephedrine and agitate. Do this carefully, as the mixture will become hot, and give off hydrogen gas and/or steam. H2 gas is explosive and lighter than air, avoid any flames as usual. Repeat this step until the mixture remains cloudy. This step neutralizes the HCl in the salt, leaving the insoluble free base (l-desoxyephedrine) again. Why do we do this? So that we can get rid of any water-soluble impurities. For 3 oz. bottles, this should take only 3 repetitions or so.

6. Fill the bottle from step 5 up the rest of the way with ethyl ether. Cap the bottle, and agitate for about 8 minutes. It is very important to expose every molecule of the free-base to the ether for as long as possible. This will cause the free base to dissolve into the ether (it -is- soluble in ether).

7. Let the mixture settle. There will be a middle layer that is very thick. Tap the side of the bottle to get this layer as thin as possible. This is why this bottle should be clear.

8. Remove the top (ether) layer with the eyedropper, being careful not to get any of the middle layer in it. Place the removed ether layer into a third bottle.

9. Add to the third bottle enough water to fill it half-way and about 5 drops of muriatic acid. Cap it. Shake the bottle for 2 minutes. When it settles, remove the top layer and throw it away. The free base has now been bonded to the HCl again, forming a water soluble salt. This time, we're getting rid of ether-soluble impurities. Make sure to get rid of all the ether before going to step 11!

10. If there is anything left from step 3, repeat the procedure with it.

11. Evaporate the solution in the Pyrex dish on low heat. You can do this on the stove or nuke it in the microwave (be careful of splashing), but I have found that if you leave it on top of a hot-water heater (like the one that supplies hot water to your house) for about 2-3 days, the remaining crystals will be ephedrine HCl.

If you microwave it, I suggest no more than 5-10s at one time. If it starts "popping", that means you have too little liquid left to microwave. You can put it under a bright (100W) lamp instead. Microwaving can result in uneven heating, anyway.

First Batch: 120mg ephedrine HClEstimated: 300mg (100% of theoretical, disregarding HCl)

Now, Making Methamphetamine out of ephedrine by reducing it with Hydroiodic Acid and Red Phosphorus.

Items needed:

* Alot of matchbooks (the kind with the striking pad)
* Coffee filters (or filter paper)
* Something that measures ml and grams
* A flask (a small pot with a lid can be used)
* iodine
* Hydroiodic Acid (I will tell you how to make this)
* Red Phosphorus (I will tell you how to make this)
* Lye
* *Optional (toluene and HCI gas)



Making Red Phosphorus:
The striking pad on books of matches is about 50% red phosphorus. The determined experimenter could obtain a pile of red phosphorus by scraping off the striking pads of matchbooks with a sharp knife. A typical composition of the striking pad is about 50% red phosphorus, along with about 30% antimony sulfide, and lesser amounts of glue, iron oxide, MnO2, and glass powder. I don't think these contaminants will seriously interfere with the reaction. Naturally, it is a tedious process to get large amounts of red phosphorus by scraping the striking pads off matchbooks, but who cares?

Making Hydroiodic Acid:
This is made by mixing iodine and red phosphorus. When making hydroiodic acid from iodine and red phosphorus, the acid is prepared first, and allowed to come to complete reaction for 20 minutes before adding the ephedrine to it. The way around the roadblock here is to just boil off some more of the water from the ephedrine extract, and make the acid mixture in fresh pure water. Since the production of HI from iodine and red phosphorus gives off a good deal of heat, it is wise to chill the mixture in ice, and slowly add the iodine crystals to the red phosphorus-water mixture.

Now, Making Methamphetamine:
To do the reaction, a 1000 ml round bottom flask is filled with 150 grams of ephedrine. Also added to the flask are 40 grams of red phosphorus and 340 ml of 47% hydroiodic acid. This same acid and red phosphorus mixture can be prepared from adding 150 grams of iodine crystals to 150 grams of red phosphorus in 300 ml of water. This should produce the strong hydroiodic acid solution needed. Exactly how strong the acid needs to be, I can't say . With the ingredients mixed together in the flask, a condenser is attached to the flask, and the mixture is boiled for one day. This length of time is needed for best yields and highest octane numbers on the product. While it is cooking, the mixture is quite red and messy looking from the red phosphorus floating around in it.When one day of boiling under reflux is up, the flask is allowed to cool, then it is diluted with an equal volume of water. Next, the red phosphorus is filtered out. A series of doubled up coffee filters will work to get out all the red phosphorus, but real filter paper is better. The filtered solution should look a golden color. A red color may indicate that all the red phosphorus is not yet out. If so, it is filtered again. The filtered-out phosphorus can be saved for use in the next batch. If filtering does not remove the red color, there may be iodine floating around the solution. It can be removed by adding a few dashes of sodium bisulfate or sodium thiosulfate.The next step in processing the batch is to neutralize the acid. A strong lye solution is mixed up and added to the batch while shaking until the batch is strongly basic. This brings the meth out as liquid free base floating on top of the water. The strongly basic solution is shaken vigorously to ensure that all the meth has been converted to the free base. You now can sell or use the free base for injection use or with free base meth now obtained, the next step you can do is to form the crystalline hydrochloride salt of meth. To do this, a few hundred mls of toluene is added to the batch, and the meth free base extracted out as usual. If the chemist's cooking has been careful, the color of the toluene extract will be clear to pale yellow. If this is the case, the product is sufficiently pure to make nice white crystals just by bubbling dry HCl gas through the toluene extract. If the toluene extract is darker colored, a distillation is called for to get pure meth free base. The yield of pure methamphetamine hydrochloride should be from 100 to 110 grams.


SOURCE: http://www.neonjoint.com/drug_recipes/chapter3.html
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[thundercles]

the method i know....


go to walmart
steal/buy as much sudafed,..walfed as you can

use denatured alcohol to seperate the ephedrine
use medical grade iodine to do something.....
then.....ok im drunk and im drawing a blank....but ill think of it later hopefully


its been 2 years since ive been with a cook, ive never done it myself but ive been tweekin with them while they have done it. im missing a key ingredient, i cant remember what the fuck it is.....

damn, i dont remember much of those years but ive seen it done many of night. no b ullshit. naybe when i sober up il remember
yeah, that is the red phosphorus method. Due to the fact that all 3 of the main ingredients are VERY HEAVILY watched by the DEA I am posting my alternative methods which reduce things to only using Ephedrine as a heavily watched chemical and cutting out the iodine and red phosphorus. My way has more potential for mass production if you can synthesize your Ephedrine yourself (I have a full unwatched chemicals ephedrine synthesis I put together from a bunch of minor syntheses I may post later cause I'm pretty proud of it). The reason is because if you start consuming a lot of watched chemicals you'll have the DEA on you in a heartbeat.

Just FYI tho, what JimmyB was mentioning is the way most street meth is made. It is good for making small quantities, like an ounce at a time. it requires sudafed, iodine tincture and matchbook strikers. the iodine tincture is made into pure iodine, and red phosphorus is extracted from the matchbook strikers. The actual process you can look up online it's all over, I'm posting these methods because they are not all over which is what makes them good.

[Jack85]

If you guys haven't seen the movie Spun, watch it. Reminds me of the big cowboy cook :)

Great movie, have to recommend it.

[Lysergic]

If you guys haven't seen the movie Spun, watch it. Reminds me of the big cowboy cook :)

Great movie, have to recommend it.


"Oh shit, I got busted in a porn shack." -Cook

Haha, that was hilarious. DEA busts the door while the guy has his shit whipped out and is doing a line. :P

[thundercles]

"Oh shit, I got busted in a porn shack." -Cook

Haha, that was hilarious. DEA busts the door while the guy has his shit whipped out and is doing a line. :P
That line and Cook's story about drowning the puppies ("I wish I could do the same to you") are like 2 of the best movie lines. I highly recommend spun as well. I'm pretty sure he was using red phosphorus method with ghetto rigged stainless steal flasks made from bowls. It shows you how to make them in one of my books.

[Lysergic]

That line and Cook's story about drowning the puppies ("I wish I could do the same to you") are like 2 of the best movie lines. I highly recommend spun as well. I'm pretty sure he was using red phosphorus method with ghetto rigged stainless steal flasks made from bowls. It shows you how to make them in one of my books.

I was tweaked when I saw that movie. I dont remember anything about drowning puppies. When did that happen?

[Jack85]

At the end

[thundercles]

yeah it's a long story about how he walked in and saw his mom drowning a litter of unwanted mutts, and when he asked her about it she said something like "you got to get rid of what you can't take care of" or something like that, then she said "I wish I could do the same to you" chilling moment. Cook is one of the best movie characters imo

[Lysergic]

yeah it's a long story about how he walked in and saw his mom drowning a litter of unwanted mutts, and when he asked her about it she said something like "you got to get rid of what you can't take care of" or something like that, then she said "I wish I could do the same to you" chilling moment. Cook is one of the best movie characters imo


Do they ever actually say his name? I don't really remember any of the movie. It was one of those times when all I could think of was "DAMN THAT SOUNDS COOL" "shit is there a car outside?!?"


edit: Hahahhahahaha he forgets about his girlfriend. She's tied to the bed. Haha, he forgets twice. Hilarious.

[kylebn]

no offence people, but your crazy if you do P (meth), i New Zealand its a huge problem, and i would never do it, or make it, but the recipe you have there give me a good insite on how its made, cool stuff, go hard if you use it, if you have nver done it, keep it that way, honestly some dude on P tryed to rape my friend melanie on queen st, i had to bash his face in errrrrrrrr, P make you lose your mind, and im not going to lose mine sorry.
cool post + Vote for this one bro
if anything stick to pot, and thats all ok

[Lysergic]

no offence people, but your crazy if you do P (meth), i New Zealand its a huge problem, and i would never do it, or make it, but the recipe you have there give me a good insite on how its made, cool stuff, go hard if you use it, if you have nver done it, keep it that way, honestly some dude on P tryed to rape my friend melanie on queen st, i had to bash his face in errrrrrrrr, P make you lose your mind, and im not going to lose mine sorry.
cool post + Vote for this one bro
if anything stick to pot, and thats all ok


It's not a party drug. Nor is it something that should be used outside of your home. People that try and rape other people while on drugs give drug users a bad name.