Potassium Permanganate???

[mvfalcons21]

Hey does anyone know where the hell u could get Potassium Permanganate? I've been looking around but i cant find this shit anywhere.

[Quoth the Raven]

Potassium permanganate.. either in school labs, or I think I saw something in the Anarchist's Cookbook about making it. Whatcha want it for?

[mvfalcons21]

Im making Methcathinone, and thats the only thing left that i need to make it.

[AlertCalcium]

http://www.alfa.com

Well, good luck. I'm pretty sure most chemical suppliers don't deal directly with individuals. Unless you provided some kind of really detailed science project explanation. I've ordered chemicals, but through a company name. And they weren't watched chemicals, which you may have a problem with.

[DreamTheater]

one word:
ebay
http://search.ebay.com/potassium-permanganate_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfromZR8

Be careful with that stuff though. Its got a negative ph. I spilled some on myself in chemistry, and my skin turned brown and hurt. Then, all the brown kids in my class came up to me and were like, hey, youre like me.

[dchaos_g]

If you can't find any KMnO4, Methcathinone can also be synthesized via the oxidation of ephedrine using sodium dichromate and sulphuric acid. This process is just as simple as oxydizing the ephedrine with potassium permanganate.

[fuzion]

some chemical stores do deal directly with individuals but will take great caution

you'll need to fill in a lot of information before they'll sell you anything

[Falcon0r]

Im making Methcathinone, and thats the only thing left that i need to make it.

Is that the same as Methanphetamine?

[PoisonTheHat]

Is that the same as Methanphetamine?

No, otherwise it'd be Methamphetamine instead of Methcathinone, they are similar though.

[thundercles]

Is that the same as Methanphetamine?
naw, methamphetamine is made by reducing the alcohol off of ephedrine completly, via Red Phosphorus and Hydroidiac Acid or Iodine.

[thundercles]

Why do you want to make Methcathinone? I assume just to try it out and shit, and if so you shouldn't have any problems buying a small amount of any legal chemicals you need. I made a post on buying chemicals that should help some. Again, that's kinda weird, I havn't done a whole lot of looking up on cathinone's pharmacology but it is just a ketone version of meth. anyways, the best recipe I've got for methylaminopropiophenone is the one that was mentioned using sodium dichromate, sulphuric acid, and l-ephedrine. This method is very good because using l-ephedrine as a precursor will make (I assume) dextro-Methcathinone. It may make the levo isomer, but either way it should make the good isomer. I can post the full synthesis from the book Amphetamine Syntheses upon request, or you can look up the synthesis on your own in Chemical Abstracts (1961)24681-24682. I have one or two more synthesises, so reply or shoot me a PM for more methcathinone info, and I'll do what I can.

Oh and sorry it took so long to reply, my computer died and I just now got it working again.

[fuocoso]

Why do you want to make Methcathinone? I assume just to try it out and shit, and if so you shouldn't have any problems buying a small amount of any legal chemicals you need. I made a post on buying chemicals that should help some. Again, that's kinda weird, I havn't done a whole lot of looking up on cathinone's pharmacology but it is just a ketone version of meth. anyways, the best recipe I've got for methylaminopropiophenone is the one that was mentioned using sodium dichromate, sulphuric acid, and l-ephedrine. This method is very good because using l-ephedrine as a precursor will make (I assume) dextro-Methcathinone. It may make the levo isomer, but either way it should make the good isomer. I can post the full synthesis from the book Amphetamine Syntheses upon request, or you can look up the synthesis on your own in Chemical Abstracts (1961)24681-24682. I have one or two more synthesises, so reply or shoot me a PM for more methcathinone info, and I'll do what I can.

Oh and sorry it took so long to reply, my computer died and I just now got it working again.


Wow, i actually understood that post :-)


... and in other news, potassium permanganate should be fairly easy to get a hold of from any chemical company because it's used for lots of lab work (non-drug related). Most recently we'd been using KMnO4 as a catlyist in hydrogenation reactions... I don't remember the exact reaction but it was effective in helping to create ketones.

[thundercles]

Wow, i actually understood that post :-)


... and in other news, potassium permanganate should be fairly easy to get a hold of from any chemical company because it's used for lots of lab work (non-drug related). Most recently we'd been using KMnO4 as a catlyist in hydrogenation reactions... I don't remember the exact reaction but it was effective in helping to create ketones.
That's great man. Stereochemistry is part of the new wave of drug research, they are finding that isomers improve the effects of all sorts of prescriptions and OTC drugs and reduce bad side effects. I do honestly wonder if anyone has experimented with d-MDMA, because I assume it would be way more powerful then normal MDMA, and the average dosage currently for X is only 100-200mg, and most if not all X being produced for world consumption is done through the P-2-P or Nitropropene methods of making speed and X and these methods make racemic mixes. If someone were to manufacture MD-ephedrine via Piperonal they could reduce it just like regular ephedrine and make dextro isomer X.

[Freezer00070]

it bunrs

Warned for making a horrible post - Rick Scarf

[thundercles]

it bunrs

Warned for making a horrible post - Rick Scarf
wow... it's amazing how the atmosphere of a great thread that goes deep into drug chemistry can be ruined. Now I'm just fuckin curious to know what Freezer was trying to say when he said bunrs? does he speak English?

[fuocoso]

... and most if not all X being produced for world consumption is done through the P-2-P or Nitropropene methods of making speed and X and these methods make racemic mixes. If someone were to manufacture MD-ephedrine via Piperonal they could reduce it just like regular ephedrine and make dextro isomer X.


So you're proposing that the research into stereochemistry maybe able to create a pure isomeric form of either X or speed? That sounds like some fun experimenting, but it seems like if that could be done, it would have been done by now through some sort of buffer or temperature control. Then again people making drugs (outside of the DEA) probably don't have a whole lot of time to experiment.

[thundercles]

yeah, if phenylethylamine chemistry wasn't so repressed I'm sure many amazing things would come out of it. Hell, new amazing phenylethylamines are still being produced under the current controlled conditions, I was just talking to epi last night about a couple of new designer drugs that have hit the streets recently.

[boltenheimer]

Potassium Permanganate can be purchased easily here (http://unitednuclear.com/supplies.htm) along with alot of other cool stuff

hmm, if you gonna try mixing it with gasoline be careful.

[drmayhem]

I got Potassium Permaganate at a hardware store in a rural area. It's used in septic systems to break down the waste products. It was cheap and I bought a large can..I think it was like 5 lbs. If you add glycerin it bursts into flames in about 2 minutes, we used in in firestarters for camping. Granted, that was about 15 years ago, don't know if the Feds regulate it now, can be used for explosives..what with 911 and all..Good Luck!

[Ollie Cromwell]

Man, those search engines turn up some crazy shit. Welcome to the forums, please don't necro.